this is a debate to win the election. i'm sorry, it may have been disappointing, but there was something else going on. you have the jobs numbers coming out at 8:30 this morning in just a couple of hours. you have a lot of other things at play, and he's in a certain position in this race. there must have been, as flummoxing as it was to watch, a strategy. what was it? >> i haven't said this for a very long time. i'll say it again, though. debates are where you show your depth of understanding about politics. i've seen 1,000 debates. i've participated in, you know, scores of debates. and you know immediately. you can just look around the stage at the people to the left and the right of you, how deep can they go? by the way, they pick up on your eyes while you're looking across at them. there were a couple guys where a guy was about to do a cheap shot on me, and i'd lean in and go, you want to? let's go. and they'd back off immediately. barack obama. it happened with hillary clinton time and time again where hillary clinton